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Post by jackie on May 9, 2012 12:23:40 GMT -8
I have a question about the use of des in intact jills as an alternative to spaying. If one were to get an intact Jill, should she be implanted before she comes into season? Or during to bring her out of season? I also read that jills can come into season 2x a year - is this normal or based on unnatural lighting? Does a single implant keep the jill out of season all year? Thanks
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Post by Nancy Park on May 10, 2012 19:35:45 GMT -8
Hi Jackie, here is what I've observed from my end. It's easier to implant before the jill comes in heat. I have had good luck doing it very early in the year after they are born like January. So they are born in the spring /summer and then implanted the next January. The longer you can wait to do it the better. If the jill is in heat the implant will put her into a false pregnancy for 42 days. After that she should stay out of heat for at least a year. The only issue with letting a jill come into heat is during that time their cervix is open and bacteria can get inside and cause infection so that would have to be kept an eye on. And, during a false pregnancy she will exhibit some hormonal behavior with each ferret doing this differently. Jills can come into heat more times than 2 during the year. They will just keep cycling if put into falses without the implant until the late summer or early fall. All of my jills without implants for some reason started their heats very early this year and have been falsed numerous times as I am not breeding yet this year for other reasons. Perfectly normal. Once a jill does have a litter that is usually it for her though for that year for heats unless the litter does not survive. Hope this helps!
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Post by jackie on May 10, 2012 20:41:11 GMT -8
Thank you so much! Very helpful
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Post by ladyhawk on Jun 2, 2012 12:50:18 GMT -8
Well Thanks..this is just what I was looking for Hope no one minds my continuing on this thread. So If I fallow, a Jill born in say May should not go into her first season by January? So January 1st would be a good time to implant preventing ' heat' all together? I heard someone speak about possible "break through", meaning they could go into heat and the owner could miss it. Can anyone expand on that? Like how soon should you be watching for something like that? What should you look for? And say you do get the Desi and everything goes smooth. Jill doesn't go into season, but you may get her spayed later. How long should the Desi last for, OR when should you then get her spayed. I may be getting a young Jill and don't wish to breed her. BUT I definitely want to do what best for her health. Need some guidance please
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Post by Nancy Park on Jun 4, 2012 21:26:36 GMT -8
A jill born in May should not go into heat until say Feb/March but there are always exceptions. January usually seems to be early enough to prevent heat altogether. If the jill does go into heat sooner then an implant will take her out of heat and put her into a false pregnancy for 42 days. After that she "should" stay out. I'm not sure about break through heat as I personally have not seen that here. I've so far had the Des last a year or longer. Hope this helps!
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Post by jackie on Jun 24, 2012 15:34:48 GMT -8
Great info, I was wondering how long the implant would last.
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Post by lorelei0922 on Dec 28, 2012 9:29:24 GMT -8
Hiya.. just a point... The jill that Jackie is talking about is an import from me from the UK... two litters were brought in last august, raised in natural lighting but indoor temps (low 60's to mid 70's tops) the three kits that have kept from the two litters live outdoors in natural lighting and temps. ( low 40's to 50's daytimes and near freezing nighttimes) none show ANY SIGNS whatsoever of coming into season.. i dont expect to see signs till at least march for the boy and possibly april for the two girls....
However... all of the kits shipped to the US are showing signs of coming into season... several of the boys have needed either castration or implant already, 5 of 7 jills have also come into season.. one as early as November!!!
its worth noting that not all jills will phantom.... when brought out with the Jab OR implant ... its a rather individual thing..
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Post by Nancy Park on Dec 29, 2012 14:37:28 GMT -8
what I've seen over the years is anytime a kit or adult is moved from one time zone to another it can throw off their biological clock. I made it a rule for myself that if I was going to buy a kit from the eastern part of the US bringing it back to where I live in the western US that the kit must be 6 months or less, the younger the better. Anything older tended to be off with the seasons, coming into season in November or around there which was bad as none of my hobs or vhobs were in then. I never like using a jill jab much as have had spotty results with it. I had one jill that determinedly stayed on coming in too early and I finally gave up and spayed her. I guess I'm not understanding the phantom pregnancy statement as anytime a jill jab or an implant is given it is basically giving hormones or making the hormones produce that brings the jill out of season, essentially making her body think it is pregnant. The implant gives an initial surge of hormones that then level out. What I've observed is the implant when given when a jill is not in season will give that hormone surge where she might be a bit crazy for awhile, think PMS, and then will settle down. If it is given when she is already in season she will close up in her cervix, come out of season very quickly, and go into what we in the US call a false pregnancy. Maybe what you are saying is they will produce milk etc ? I'm always learning so bear with me for asking.....
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Post by lorelei0922 on Dec 30, 2012 4:52:00 GMT -8
yeah i understand the phantom/fasle pregnancy thing.. but really only see it rarely with the jab... I've used it the first year then spay .. as recommended by our vets for years... only 3 out of ohh... 25 or so.. have phantomed... ie.. cranky fat and acting pregnant for 6 weeks ... i find if they DO phantom, they are more likely to come back into season... though i couldn't give hard data on how many etc... most just sorta.. fade out of season ( swelling reducing over a period of a week and hormones settling back down within the next..) and go back to normal within a couple weeks! perhaps we are using a different drug over here? What our vets use is this... www.msd-animal-health.co.uk/products_public/delvosteron/090_product_datasheet.aspx
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